1. No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.
2. No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11
passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the hijackers.
3. On September 11th, 2001 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft-–an
unprecedented operation. Yet it could not successfully scramble any jet fighters that
day-–a normal procedure occurring over 100 times a year.
4. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was
not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September 11th, in
the exact manner of a controlled demolition.
5. There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in
Pennsylvania-–only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.
6. Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 dF. Steel melts at 2750 dF. Jet
fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 dF in open
air. Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents of the buildings could have caused the
towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail.
7. Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to
8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airplanes fly at
30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help
by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.
8. 9/11 was immediately declared an “act of war” by President Bush. The rubble from
Ground Zero was carted away and the steel sold off without examination.
9. Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two
airlines involved in 9/11-–American and United. Federal law protects their identities.
10. Accepting victims’ compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery
through litigation.
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1) No steel building prior to or since 9/11 has had a jet full of passengers and fuel fly into it at 400 feet above the ground level and burn un-controlled.
2) Not sure, but seems like these agencies might be respecting the familes of the deceased.
3) The FAA spent hours grounding flights. Within 45 minutes, all hijacked planes were crashed.
4) Or in the manner of a building whose foundation had been weakened by the collapse of an adjacent skyscraper.
5) This is pure bunk. Video footage of the scene has been displayed.
6) A jet fuel & furniture fire fed by winds will burn extremely hot, much hotter than fuel alone.
7) The FAA reported the flights dropped to low altitudes. Cell phones would work when less than 1 mile from the ground. Have you ever called on a cell phone despite the tower being miles away?
8) 9/11 *was* an act of war. Unlike the JFK Jr. plane crash which was brushed under the carpet (no autopsy) we had video of planes going into buildings.
9) Check the tax returns of George Soros.
10) Standard practice.
A few that you missed...
11) If you fabricate a hat out of tin foil and wear it day and night, the government cannot hear what you are thinking.
12) When you wake up in the middle of the night in a dripping sweat, screaming that the government is going to get you, its a nightmare.
13) The route to government domination of American citizens is not through fake terror incidents, its through more and more generous social programs designed to make us dependent.
14) If the US Military cannot keep 25 Million Iraqis with limited access to weapons under control, it is reasonable to assume that it cannot keep 400 Million Americans with guns and know-how under control unless we let it.
The only thinking here is independant of reason.
Not sure if the Bush administration or Pentagon could pull all this stuff off. We've all seen the incompetence there.
I know two people who were killed on the airplanes. One person through family and another through work. Trust me, they were on the planes and they are dead.
However, at the time, I was a day trader. I can assure you, there was a lot of shorting of airline stock going on the days before 9/11. This is a practice where someone who doesn't own the stock, sells it, then buys it back later to cover their short position at a much lower price(ideally) then they sold it for. The shorting right before 9/11 was much much higher volume than normal shorting activity during that time. I doubt this was a co-incidence... and of course people did know of the looming attack.
R.T. you got #13 all wrong. The government only wants to tax us for the social programs but then redistribute it otherwise.
The more appropriate conspiracy here would be that certain people want a do-over on the U.S. Constitution and laws. By bankrupting the Federal government, they will have their opportunity. Can you imagine people like Bush, Cheney, and Doolittle creating a new America? The bankrupting of the U.S. is well under way. Only a few more years of the kind of spending we've seen in the last 7 and the job will be done. You're either with them, or you're against them.
In response to two of the more disturbing comments
For a full report debunking these garbage myths go to:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
From Popular Mechanics:
#1)"Melted" Steel
Claim: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."
FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.
"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
#3) FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked — the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.
@ Rational...
"1) No steel building prior to or since 9/11 has had a jet full of passengers and fuel fly into it at 400 feet above the ground level and burn un-controlled. "
Fires:
- The majority of jet fuel burned off on impact.
- Jet fuel is kerosene.
- Kerosene doesn't burn hot enough in the most ideal of conditions to weaken steel, let alone vaporize it.
- Fires didn't burn nearly long enough to reach any critical temperatures.
- Fires were oxygen-starved (hence the dark, grey smoke and lack of any widely-spreading flames). There was no "Towering Inferno" going on. Footage even shows people standing in the site of the plane entry, leaning against columns, etc. that obviously weren't very hot.
Impact:
- Sheer force of the impacts were only comparable to sheer force of extreme weather conditions.
- Both towers shifted on impact (as they were designed to do), but quickly regained their composure and remained stable - even while they disintegrated! (Did you see either tower falling over during the collapse?)
Collapse:
- Why did both towers collapse fully?
- What happened to all 94 of those huge steel vertical box columns?
- Why was there virtually no solid debris left of the concrete, office furniture, equipment, etc.? Everything was PULVERIZED into a fine dust.
- Why was molten metal found in the basements of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 - WEEKS AFTER?
"2) Not sure, but seems like these agencies might be respecting the familes of the deceased."
- The families of the deceased have been among the most vocal in demanding better answers, and have been quite vocal about how the government and mainstream media have insulted and disappointed them with their reluctance to provide proper answers to very key questions.
3) The FAA spent hours grounding flights. Within 45 minutes, all hijacked planes were crashed.
- The point of #3 was that in grounding all those flights, they had accomplished something very historical, without even a rehearsal, while the normal processes (which had been successfully exercised many times) failed 4 times that morning.
- The event lasted about 90 minutes (not 45).
- No fighters were in the air at any time during that hour and a half.
- How did a "trillion-dollar defense system" that is staffed 24/7, fail not only to launch a defensive team, but also fail to launch the ground hardware and shoot down something unauthorized, that is heading toward the Pentagon - the most prohibited and defended air space on the planet?
"4) Or in the manner of a building whose foundation had been weakened by the collapse of an adjacent skyscraper."
- There was no evidence of any significant damage to WTC7.
- There were no significant fires in WTC7.
- Only a small portion of WTC7 was impacted by tower debirs.
- Building came straight-down, into its own footprint and exhibited every other classic trait of controlled demolition.
- Molten metal present in the basement (as mentioned in #1).
- WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein ADMITTED ON THE AIR that WTC was "pulled". (Footage of his confession is widely available.)
"5) This is pure bunk. Video footage of the scene has been displayed." (Flight 93)
...And what, exactly did you see?!
- There was NO PLANE DEBRIS.
- The "crater" wasn't even big enough to fit half of that plane.
"6) A jet fuel & furniture fire fed by winds will burn extremely hot, much hotter than fuel alone."
- Then, why weren't either of the towers RAGING with fire?
- How did firemen make it to the impact zone of the North Tower?
- Why did those firemen only report a few scattered fires, saying "2 lines should do it!" ?
"7) The FAA reported the flights dropped to low altitudes. Cell phones would work when less than 1 mile from the ground. Have you ever called on a cell phone despite the tower being miles away?"
- All cellphone calls were refuted by the government's own reports.
- No successful calls were ever made from Flight 93. (And, that one didn't have "seat-back phones" either.
"8) 9/11 *was* an act of war. Unlike the JFK Jr. plane crash which was brushed under the carpet (no autopsy) we had video of planes going into buildings."
- What does seeing the planes have to do with vindicating the Official Story?
- Even if we could be sure that those 2 planes actually were Flights 175 and 11, it wouldn't prove who was on them, or who (or what) was piloting them.
- I find the fact that the planes PENETRATED the towers a little odd. Normal commercial jets are not designed to withstand the force of a head-on crash into a fixed object, at 400+ mph. Parts should have immediately sheered off and ended up on the ground, and the nose (consisting of mostly aluminum and electrical components) isn't capable of surviving the impact and continuing through steel box columns.
"9) Check the tax returns of George Soros."
Not sure what that would accomplish here.
If you're saying anyone can "get lucky" with the Stock Market, that still doesn't address how a huge amount of investors could have been "lucky" all at the same time, all laying put options on the 2 airlines involved and a few companies in the WTC, a week before the event.
"10) Standard practice."
- It's "standard practice" only when such protection is deemed "a wise precaution".
- Why would such a precaution be needed to be taken by a government that has nothing to hide?
"A few that you missed...
"11) If you fabricate a hat out of tin foil and wear it day and night, the government cannot hear what you are thinking.
12) When you wake up in the middle of the night in a dripping sweat, screaming that the government is going to get you, its a nightmare."
Once again, as I see a lot, no qualified rebuttal has been offered, and the childishness begins.
"13) The route to government domination of American citizens is not through fake terror incidents, its through more and more generous social programs designed to make us dependent."
- You really don't know American history, do you?
- Social programs cost money, while False-flag Terrorism CREATES revenue streams.
"14) If the US Military cannot keep 25 Million Iraqis with limited access to weapons under control, it is reasonable to assume that it cannot keep 400 Million Americans with guns and know-how under control unless we let it."
- Funny how the Iraqis, with such limited resources, are supposed to be believed to be "the evil terrorists that conceived, planned and executed 9/11". Yet, many Americans would sooner believe that than what is right in their faces!
Americans need to WAKE UP and SMELL THE THERMATE!!
Here's a well made 7min video highlighting some undeniable issues...check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OvRsTGlQvA
And the fact that you are paying 4 bucks a gallon is a conspiracy theory as well right. It's our "imagination."Let's see if you still think the way you think when gas is 10 bucks a gallon. I'll get your response when I'm behind you in the FEMA bread line.
P.S. Nice weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What have we gained from this farce? The mass devaluation of the dollar? Conspiracy theory right. You are in a fog. Oh, you still believe there were weapons? George bush admitted they found nothing. The Iraq war was planned years in advance (google PNAC) of course you think all history is an accident. FDR said it himself that if it
happens in politics it was planned that way. I suppose you think the dragging on of the Democratic primary is also another accidental historical event. Hillary can't win so why? Because it's planned that way. Divide and conquer. Everything is just peachy isn't it.
The people of the United States are being fed constant lies, and this has been happening for so long that the truth is unrecognizable to them. What better way to control people than to control their money, wealth, and even negative wealth, which is called debt, and to control them with an economy based on lies, deceit, and dishonesty by those in charge of that system.
Prediction: You will be standing in a FEMA camp bread line for food and water in the near future if they don't exterminate you first.
Do you think it was incompetence that politicians spent us into a 9 trillion dollar debt or do you think they knew what they were doing? Do you think it's possible to pay the interest on 9 trillion dollars without taxing 100% of the American peoples wages?
See you in the bread line.
I pay about $4/gallon for milk now, but I still buy it.
I guess its a conspiracy. Those cows are working with the chickens to screw us our of our hard earned money!
"I guess its a conspiracy. Those cows are ..."
Another "Rational" rebuttal from the "Thinker".
You're doing a serious disservice to 2 well-respected words".
Please change your handle, or at least present proper arguments, one or the other.